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Quest within/start in/ suggestion

I suggest we create a separate category for Quests within zones, instead of listing where they begin/end within the page of the zone itself, thus making pages less wordy and more sleek looking.

Vulasuw (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this suggestion. The way that it currently is is confusing, although I further suggest that this list be broken down by neighborhood. Shaudius (talk) 21:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

This sounds alright to me. — oOeyes 01:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Consistent Capitalization

While the Wiki is still in its nascent stages I think it is important to establish page standards. Currently some pages and categories have their second word capitalized and some do not. I propose that all pages conform to title structure. For instance, a page titled gold coins would be placed on the wiki as "Gold Coins" and not "Gold coins". A page entitled for love of money would be entered into the wiki as "For Love of Money" not "For Love Of Money" or "for love of money" I will do my best to correct pages and create redirects so that all pages meet this standard if it is agreeable to others. Shaudius (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed! I will also format this way from now on. Vulasuw (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Due to the case sensitivity rules of titles, there is a standard I was trying to follow:

• If the term is fully capitalized in-game, do the same for the title since we're likely to do the same in links.
  • In other words, always match in-game capitalization where you can.
• When the terms aren't used in-game, follow widespread wiki conventions and only capitalize the first world and proper nouns.

I know this will result in inconsistency, but the standard is intended to keep linking simple. We generally wouldn't be writing "gold coins" as "Gold Coins". It's much easier to type [[gold coins]] in the middle of the sentence than [[Gold Coins|gold coins]].

On the other hand, in-game text is so frequently fully capitalizing things like the names of foes that if we followed typical wiki convention there, we'd end up typing [[Undead soldier|Undead Soldier]] all the time rather than being able to type [[Undead Soldier]].

Establishing redirects, like "Gold coins" -> "Gold Coins" helps with this, but it is a time-consuming process for so many pages, and I think we have to accept that there will always be gaps.

And realistically, the same standard should be followed for headings in pages too, since those can also be linked to. — oOeyes 01:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and to add to this, for the same reasons, singular forms should be favored in titles. Easier to write [[class]] and [[Class]]es than it is to write [[Classes|class]] and [[Classes]]. The exceptions are when you're never likely to use the singular form. "List of quests" is fine because we're not going to be typing "List of quest". — oOeyes 01:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I do agree that if we are referencing in game terms of any sort they should follow full capitalization. For instance, Adventure Zone not Adventure zone, Dungeon Delve not Dungeon delve, etc. Gold coins is perhaps a bad example to illustrate this as Gold coins are not specifically referenced in the game, instead they are referred to as Gold and the overall system of Gold, Silver, and Copper is referred to as "Money."

However, I believe that since the majority of the Wiki will be comprised of in game terms, NPCs, items, and locations, all of which are specified in the game and use title capitalization, I don't think it would be a problem to use this type of structure throughout as the vast majority of pages on the Wiki would already conform to this standard, so the situations where it doesn't apply will be few and far between and would appear to the normal reader as incorrect since every other page would seem to be following a different standard. Shaudius (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Foundry Section Redundant Pages

It seems that the Foundry quick start page isn't quite needed, as most of the (possible) information that would go there is already on the Foundry and Guide to the Foundry pages. Vulasuw (talk) 00:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The developers suggested it, and I'm not sure yet that it should be considered redundant. Having a page that summarizes such a complex system could be useful. — oOeyes 01:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Handling user-generated content

I think we need to get this conversation started quickly since we're now a few days away from early access to the open beta, and this was somewhat controversial back on STOWiki as well. Let's discuss how we want to handle pages for Foundry content on Project talk:User generated content.

Category Structure

Another topic that I think needs a decision fairly quickly is category structure, since there will be a lot of pages added to the Wiki in short order I think we need to have an infrastructure in place for category navigation. Lets talk about it at Project talk:Categorization.

Non-English NW Wikis

I would like to start working on the German version of this wiki, as the game is translated into German, too. I will start by doing sub-pages with a language suffix, in accordance of what I've heard from Curse:

Our standard practice is to let users make translation on subpages initially. (Example: A French translation for "Signs of Life" would be at "Signs of Life/fr".) Once they have enough of a skeleton fleshed out, we open a new wiki for the language with it's own dedicated domain and transfer the content to it. An example of it is http://terraria.gamepedia.com/ and http://terraria-fr.gamepedia.com/

I've also made a template to be placed on those pages, {{Translated}}, that explains the process a bit and puts the sub-page into the new category Non-English Pages to easily identify when needed.

A first example can be seen here: Sergeant Knox/de

Note: Any help from other non-English people would be greatly appreciated. Please do not use the translated page title yet, using the sub-pages for now (with /de and /fr) ensures that they can be easily integrated into the new wiki and will immediately include the inter-wiki link to the English page, as it is always clear what page they are a translation of. The template can also be enhanced with more language suffixes if there are plans to have the wiki in more additional languages.

FridiEU (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we start right off? I am also trying to create a Chinese NW wiki, but Gamepedia won't allow me to put too many Chinese characters and html codes. So, admins, please talk to us.Loskit (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into adjusting the appropriate filter. Until then, you can make a few safe edits while logged in as a workaround. Only new users are affected by most of the filters. — oOeyes 08:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Checked further and the filter is already set up to ignore other-language pages, but they need to be created with the correct titles, i.e. Neverwinter Wiki/zh, not Zh:Neverwinter WIki. In the second case, the filters treat it like it should be an English language page. — oOeyes 08:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering, is there a rough number of pages or areas of the game covered that would need to exist in a certain language before it can be set up on its own sub-domain? If there would be an outlined target, we might be able to speed up the process a little bit by directing effort to those pages still needed to get the foreign wiki started. At the moment, non-english content on this wiki is almost invisible, which to potential editors of those languages may give the impression that the wiki is only in English. Plus, searching for that content is also a bit tricky, as the page name does not resemble the official in-game name of those items in other languages in most cases. I know that this could be solved by a redirect with the non-English title as a page name (typing in the non-English term would suggest the sub-page), but I fear this may create a mess when the pages would eventually be moved to their own domain. To make non-English versions of pages more visible on the English page, I am using simple vice versa linking for now, as in Bag of holes and Bag of holes/de, respectively. I'm quite a n00b at wiki language, so no idea if there's a better solution, like a template that would check on /de /fr /zh (and so on) sub pages and link them if they exist... Anyway, let me know what content you think we should have covered to get wikis started for those languages the game has been translated into. ;) FridiEU (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

A rough guideline is to translate the Main Page and all pages directly linked from that as an absolute minimum. Also, getting at least one of each various "type" of page that has a structured layout, like at least one quest page, one NPC page, one foe page, etc, translated is a big plus since that gives editors something to follow. — oOeyes 16:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I started working on the main page here. I'll post a link in the German forum, hope I'll get some edits directed this way. Could you allow the official German news feed from Perfect World Europe to be displayed? It is not allowed at the moment, so I get a broken link instead of content from the website. FridiEU (talk) 00:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I've queued an update to get the german RSS feed whitelisted, but since it's now the weekend, the change probably won't be pushed through until Monday. — oOeyes 01:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I am seeing a different error message now, a bit confusing. Looks like the German RSS feed is whitelisted and blocked at the same time. Could you have a look at the German Main Page when you have the time? Thanks! FridiEU (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I accidentally pasted a quote character at the end of the url, and this unfortunately triggered a bug in the configuration panel, preventing me from correcting my mistake. I've already sent a request up to our tech team to investigate and get this sorted out. — oOeyes 17:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead and sorted all German pages I could find in the category Translations/de, hope that helps. I'm not sure if I missed any pages. Will there be an automatic interwiki link back to the Enghlish page for those pages that have been set up in the proper "/de" format?FridiEU (talk) 00:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll set up interwiki prefixes, yes, but I'm not aware of any way to make "automatic" links aside from some template you can add to the pages.

We'll be starting the process of getting the German wiki up and running tomorrow. It might be a couple of days more before we can actually start the process of moving everything over, though. — oOeyes 22:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Request: Stats Explanation

Hi, I love your Wiki.

I'd just like to make a small request, if possible, could you create a page that explains what all the different stats on gear do? Things like Power, Recovery, Deflection and so forth.

Thanks very much for all your hard work.

I agree, and it's been a crazy week for me, so this isn't something I've been to sort out myself. I'd like to add either expanding Character or creating a separate article that covers overall character progression, explaining heroic tier, heroic feats, paragon path, and so on in the order you get these things as you level up is something we should really have if anyone who has it all sorted out has time. — oOeyes 08:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try and write out a detailed explaination of my findings. I have noticed that the +Movement on gear (let's say, +120 from an enchantment), says it only gives +1.3% (IIRC). I don't believe that... I think there's some sort of miscalculation there... I have a 60 TR and I run faster than my basic mount (which is +50% movement). When running fast, I use Sneak Attack Rank 3 (+30% movement) and Skillful Infiltrator Rank 3 (+15% movement) on my basement which depending on how the calculate it in game, I'm just assuming it's cumulative - that's +45% movement. The only different would be if, instead of...

All +Movement Combined (30% + 15% + 1.3%) it's instead something like...

(Class Features)*(Gear) = (30% + 15% = +45%) * (1.3%) = 58.5%

Though I know that's not exactly what you were referring too. I will also check up on the other stats as well. --71.75.252.158 07:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Languages

i would like to know if it is possible to change language in the game, please...

  Yes, it is: In the Launcher, open the Options. Currently, you can switch between English, German and French. 
  FridiEU (talk)

Better skill descriptions.

Hello,

So I was trying to find info about my class, and the wiki is missing quite a bit of info. I wouldn't mind editing/fixing up a few pages, but I also have no idea how templates work. I was thinking of something similar to: this for skills. Not sure if other pages on the wikia I linked could be good for inspiration since this game has much more skills involved.

If I was given a template/told how to set the page up, I would definitely try to get the info from the tool tips into an appropriate page. It's been awhile and I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be set up, or has the potential to just copy paste.

<also...wouldn't mind a rename token so I can change name to my game handle and not curse account.>

--Drakahellslayer (talk) 09:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've set up a basic layout on pages like Magic Missile and Chill Strike. You can copy-paste those and use those to set up other power pages. The tooltip information is on separate pages to support the wiki's tooltip system, you can use the "edit details above" on a power page that has a tooltip to get appropriate code for setting those up. When you save a power page with the {{tooltip section power}} template included, you'll get a red link to the appropriate page for the tooltip info.

I'll arrange a display name credit for you as well. — oOeyes 08:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for setting up the templates, I also really like the tooltip system.

I have started working on the Cleric page. While doing so I wanted to link straight to the "#Encounter_powers" of each class, then saw how different the class pages have been set up. I will try to make the pages more uniform so linking straight to the pages specific part is easier for users. Let me know if there is anything wrong with the Cleric page so far, I will try to fix up anything that might have broken. I will update the pages as I have time.

--Drakahellslayer (talk) 12:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I see they've become inconsistent. I still favor placing all the powers into a single sortable table for maximum flexibility and functionality and eliminating any redundant listing on those pages. This is the approach used by the Guardian Fighter page. Then you'd just link to "#Powers" instead.

Meanwhile, I'll fix the table template code so that the type column displays and accepts the game's current terminology. — oOeyes 20:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Alright, works for me, I will try to follow the GFs page.

--Drakahellslayer (talk) 23:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Contest

Your contest mentions the dire need for the images on the front page, yet i see no way of adding these. I have been activly going through alot of pages adding tons of missing information and making sure the formating + icons are 1080p consistant over each page.

In truth I entered only for the contest but now find a deep love of knowing people will hopefully find my information helpful in the future. My worry however is the lack of control with images meaning I have to go thorugh every page I am aware the icon excists to make sure they all use the same image.

The front page is something I am more than happy to attempt creating images for. This however leads to another confusion over the contest. How are the icons/images tracked? Are we ment to link every single change + image over twitter? Seems a rather endless chain of events to make sure you submissions are verified before someone else comes and does a 2 word edit to claim it :(

Thanks (sorry for errors as typing fast while minds racing :p )

I'd just make one tweet for an helpful edit and one for an image. The winners will be randomly selected among those that make a helpful contribution that isn't something really minor (i.e., someone fixing a few typos or adding a sentence). Any further editing you make after that would be because you've found you enjoy it; it won't affect your chances of winning.

Basically, during our discussions of the contest, we felt that trying to compare the value of each editor's contributions was a bad idea. That can only be objectively determined up to a certain point, and then beyond that it becomes rather arbitrary. For example, I have a tendency to value good text content over images, so I'd tend to choose editors who best expanded our information on the game, but dealing with images is less convenient and less streamlined, so an editor uploading a lot of quality images is doing a lot of valuable work too. Choosing one dedicated editor to win over another would be just as likely to cause strife as it would be to inspire editing, so this contest is more about giving both our existing editors a chance to win and encouraging new editors to try wiki editing out and see how they like it (in exchange for also getting a chance to win). — oOeyes 19:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Correction: Each entry does increase your chance to win, as long as multiple entries are sufficiently different from each other, i.e. different subject or page, which we'll determine at the judging stage. We'll just count a lot of edits that are just building up the same thing as one entry, even if you tweet each one. The safest bet to have an entry considered as separate is to make it on a completely different topic. — oOeyes 22:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Lore page

I've been working on Lore, a page that tells players where do find pieces of lore in-game. It's far from complete, but already the 20th biggest page on the wiki. Any chance it could be added to the front page, or anywhere really? It's an orphan at the moment.

• Main page link added. There are probably other good places to add it, but they aren't coming to mind at the moment. — oOeyes 21:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Achievements tag in main page

I'm working to complete a guide to the achievements of the game, but to get into that section, I have to go through Lore. Would it be possible to add a tag achievements please?

Enchanting page

Enchanting is now one of the bigger pages but its not linked under Gameplay, can this be arranged? Thanks / Jandrall

Added enchanting and achievements to the Gameplay section. Thanks. — oOeyes 22:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Enchantment Slot Tooltip Template?

Can anyone tell me how to show an empty grey & purple enchantment slot in a tooltip box? I know class="slot" gives a filled grey slot. I can't seem to find/figure out how to get an empty one, either grey or purple (for the armor enhancements). Snoman321 (talk) 06:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we have the images uploaded for all enchantment slots yet. When we do, just give me the filenames and I'll set up CSS classes ASAP. — oOeyes 09:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

OK I uploaded NW_Empty_Slot.png and NW_Empty_AE_Slot.png for both those. Ready for your Magic. Lemee know how to properly fix those into a tooltip, and I'll clean up the Leatherworking ones I've done already. If I could offer a suggestion it would be to make class="slot" be the empty slot image by default since that's how items drop, and would thus be more commonly used in tooltips. Maybe class="slotted" for a full slot and class="aeslot" for an empty armor enhancement slot? I didn't find an icon for a full AE slot. Not sure if it would even be used? Thanks in advance!Snoman321 (talk) 00:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Added Empty Enhancement and Enchantment. Enchantment doubles for Rune. File:Empty Enhancement.png File:Empty Enchantment.png. Jetah (talk) 03:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

• class="slot" now displays an empty slot.
• class="slotted" now displays a full slot.
• class="aeslot" now displays an armor enchantment slot.

Or in other words, I just followed the suggestions. Let me know when we get the filled image for an armor enchantment slot. — oOeyes 04:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Like these images? File:GemSlot Filled.png and File:GemSlot AE Filled.png?? feel free to rename any of the ones i've uploaded ― Jetah 20:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC) (now with new and improved sig)

Thanks Jetah & OOeyes!! Snoman321 (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

• class="aeslotted" now displays a full armor enhancement slot.
• I also added class="runeslot" and class="runeslotted" for future-proofing. For now, they do the same thing as slot and slotted, but should the devs decide to make the rune slots look different, using the rune classes will make switching over pretty easy. — oOeyes 20:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you also make it so that the text in "runeslot" is rendered pink, since I'm not sure if I can even access classes? I've made due without it by using class="pink", but this would make it easier. Riveted (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

The pink color has now been added to runeslot and runeslotted. — oOeyes 00:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice until after you did this, but aeslot/aeslotted needs the pink text as well, and runeslot/runeslotted should have the pink icon. If it wasn't for pages already having both classes, I would suggest just picking one and getting rid of the other. Riveted (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

NPC Vendors

I was upgrading some images and came across Milosh the Impartial page where someone made a fantastic table for the items the vendor offered with prices. How hard would it be to create a template for this? (note i had to resize the images which the template would have to do as well). Jetah (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Would be nice if it grabbed the images from the items page, too. --Rotab (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

You mean adding a new part into the {{Item}} template that included an Image? like {{Item|Image|name thingie here}}? -- [[User:Jetah]] (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

What I mean is instead of linking to the image "File:Potion of Weak Healing.png", you would do something like {{Item|Image|Potion of Weak Healing}}, yeah. Or maybe thats unnecessary since the image name would only change on extension changes, like from jpg to png. --Rotab (talk) 03:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Rotab, personally I dont like using jpg. You'll never see me upload any jpg.

oOeyes would it be possible to add a subpage that is a template? meaning Potion of Weak Healing/Template:Potion of Weak Healing which would create {{Potion of Weak Healing}} which could add in an Image tag for it? Meh, maybe that's redundant..

Pirates' vs. Pirate's Skyhold

The game isn't perfectly consistent about spelling. On the game map, and in the lore pages, and in the zoning hints, and other spots, it's Pirates' plural. In some of the achievements, it's Pirate's singular. A while back, I converted most references to plural, having assumed that plural was the intent. However, my changes are being reverted. Undo wars would be tiresome. A decision on consistent spelling would be nice. 99.232.36.78 22:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RSS

I have problem whit RSS. Extension:RSS -- Error: "http://nw.pl.perfectworld.eu/news/?tag=nw-news&feed=rss2" is not in the whitelist of allowed feeds

I have queued up these feeds to be added to the whitelist:

• http://nw.pl.perfectworld.eu/news/?tag=nw-news&feed=rss2
• http://fr.perfectworld.eu/news/?tag=nw-news&feed=rss2
• http://tr.perfectworld.eu/news/?tag=nw-news&feed=rss2

This change will probably go through sometime tomorrow. — oOeyes 22:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

New Template

I added a new template Template:Imagecrop/doc Now you dont need new smaller image if big image is in wiki

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