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Quest within/start in/ suggestion[edit source]

I suggest we create a separate category for Quests within zones, instead of listing where they begin/end within the page of the zone itself, thus making pages less wordy and more sleek looking.

Vulasuw (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this suggestion. The way that it currently is is confusing, although I further suggest that this list be broken down by neighborhood. Shaudius (talk) 21:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

This sounds alright to me. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Consistent Capitalization[edit source]

While the Wiki is still in its nascent stages I think it is important to establish page standards. Currently some pages and categories have their second word capitalized and some do not. I propose that all pages conform to title structure. For instance, a page titled gold coins would be placed on the wiki as "Gold Coins" and not "Gold coins". A page entitled for love of money would be entered into the wiki as "For Love of Money" not "For Love Of Money" or "for love of money" I will do my best to correct pages and create redirects so that all pages meet this standard if it is agreeable to others. Shaudius (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed! I will also format this way from now on. Vulasuw (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Due to the case sensitivity rules of titles, there is a standard I was trying to follow:
  • If the term is fully capitalized in-game, do the same for the title since we're likely to do the same in links.
    • In other words, always match in-game capitalization where you can.
  • When the terms aren't used in-game, follow widespread wiki conventions and only capitalize the first world and proper nouns.
I know this will result in inconsistency, but the standard is intended to keep linking simple. We generally wouldn't be writing "gold coins" as "Gold Coins". It's much easier to type [[gold coins]] in the middle of the sentence than [[Gold Coins|gold coins]].
On the other hand, in-game text is so frequently fully capitalizing things like the names of foes that if we followed typical wiki convention there, we'd end up typing [[Undead soldier|Undead Soldier]] all the time rather than being able to type [[Undead Soldier]].
Establishing redirects, like "Gold coins" -> "Gold Coins" helps with this, but it is a time-consuming process for so many pages, and I think we have to accept that there will always be gaps.
And realistically, the same standard should be followed for headings in pages too, since those can also be linked to. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and to add to this, for the same reasons, singular forms should be favored in titles. Easier to write [[class]] and [[Class]]es than it is to write [[Classes|class]] and [[Classes]]. The exceptions are when you're never likely to use the singular form. "List of quests" is fine because we're not going to be typing "List of quest". oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I do agree that if we are referencing in game terms of any sort they should follow full capitalization. For instance, Adventure Zone not Adventure zone, Dungeon Delve not Dungeon delve, etc. Gold coins is perhaps a bad example to illustrate this as Gold coins are not specifically referenced in the game, instead they are referred to as Gold and the overall system of Gold, Silver, and Copper is referred to as "Money."

However, I believe that since the majority of the Wiki will be comprised of in game terms, NPCs, items, and locations, all of which are specified in the game and use title capitalization, I don't think it would be a problem to use this type of structure throughout as the vast majority of pages on the Wiki would already conform to this standard, so the situations where it doesn't apply will be few and far between and would appear to the normal reader as incorrect since every other page would seem to be following a different standard. Shaudius (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Foundry Section Redundant Pages[edit source]

It seems that the Foundry quick start page isn't quite needed, as most of the (possible) information that would go there is already on the Foundry and Guide to the Foundry pages. Vulasuw (talk) 00:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The developers suggested it, and I'm not sure yet that it should be considered redundant. Having a page that summarizes such a complex system could be useful. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Handling user-generated content[edit source]

I think we need to get this conversation started quickly since we're now a few days away from early access to the open beta, and this was somewhat controversial back on STOWiki as well. Let's discuss how we want to handle pages for Foundry content on Project talk:User generated content.

Category Structure[edit source]

Another topic that I think needs a decision fairly quickly is category structure, since there will be a lot of pages added to the Wiki in short order I think we need to have an infrastructure in place for category navigation. Lets talk about it at Project talk:Categorization.


Non-English NW Wikis[edit source]

I would like to start working on the German version of this wiki, as the game is translated into German, too. I will start by doing sub-pages with a language suffix, in accordance of what I've heard from Curse:

Our standard practice is to let users make translation on subpages initially. (Example: A French translation for "Signs of Life" would be at "Signs of Life/fr".) Once they have enough of a skeleton fleshed out, we open a new wiki for the language with it's own dedicated domain and transfer the content to it. An example of it is http://terraria.gamepedia.com/ and http://terraria-fr.gamepedia.com/

I've also made a template to be placed on those pages, {{Translated}}, that explains the process a bit and puts the sub-page into the new category Non-English Pages to easily identify when needed.

A first example can be seen here: Sergeant Knox/de

Note: Any help from other non-English people would be greatly appreciated. Please do not use the translated page title yet, using the sub-pages for now (with /de and /fr) ensures that they can be easily integrated into the new wiki and will immediately include the inter-wiki link to the English page, as it is always clear what page they are a translation of. The template can also be enhanced with more language suffixes if there are plans to have the wiki in more additional languages.

FridiEU (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Can we start right off? I am also trying to create a Chinese NW wiki, but Gamepedia won't allow me to put too many Chinese characters and html codes. So, admins, please talk to us.Loskit (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll look into adjusting the appropriate filter. Until then, you can make a few safe edits while logged in as a workaround. Only new users are affected by most of the filters. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Checked further and the filter is already set up to ignore other-language pages, but they need to be created with the correct titles, i.e. Neverwinter Wiki/zh, not Zh:Neverwinter WIki. In the second case, the filters treat it like it should be an English language page. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering, is there a rough number of pages or areas of the game covered that would need to exist in a certain language before it can be set up on its own sub-domain? If there would be an outlined target, we might be able to speed up the process a little bit by directing effort to those pages still needed to get the foreign wiki started. At the moment, non-english content on this wiki is almost invisible, which to potential editors of those languages may give the impression that the wiki is only in English. Plus, searching for that content is also a bit tricky, as the page name does not resemble the official in-game name of those items in other languages in most cases. I know that this could be solved by a redirect with the non-English title as a page name (typing in the non-English term would suggest the sub-page), but I fear this may create a mess when the pages would eventually be moved to their own domain. To make non-English versions of pages more visible on the English page, I am using simple vice versa linking for now, as in Bag of Holes and Bag of Holes/de, respectively. I'm quite a n00b at wiki language, so no idea if there's a better solution, like a template that would check on /de /fr /zh (and so on) sub pages and link them if they exist... Anyway, let me know what content you think we should have covered to get wikis started for those languages the game has been translated into. ;) FridiEU (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
A rough guideline is to translate the Main Page and all pages directly linked from that as an absolute minimum. Also, getting at least one of each various "type" of page that has a structured layout, like at least one quest page, one NPC page, one foe page, etc, translated is a big plus since that gives editors something to follow. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 16:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I started working on the main page here. I'll post a link in the German forum, hope I'll get some edits directed this way. Could you allow the official German news feed from Perfect World Europe to be displayed? It is not allowed at the moment, so I get a broken link instead of content from the website. FridiEU (talk) 00:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I've queued an update to get the german RSS feed whitelisted, but since it's now the weekend, the change probably won't be pushed through until Monday. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I am seeing a different error message now, a bit confusing. Looks like the German RSS feed is whitelisted and blocked at the same time. Could you have a look at the German Main Page when you have the time? Thanks! FridiEU (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I accidentally pasted a quote character at the end of the url, and this unfortunately triggered a bug in the configuration panel, preventing me from correcting my mistake. I've already sent a request up to our tech team to investigate and get this sorted out. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 17:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I went ahead and sorted all German pages I could find in the category Translations/de, hope that helps. I'm not sure if I missed any pages. Will there be an automatic interwiki link back to the Enghlish page for those pages that have been set up in the proper "/de" format?FridiEU (talk) 00:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll set up interwiki prefixes, yes, but I'm not aware of any way to make "automatic" links aside from some template you can add to the pages.
We'll be starting the process of getting the German wiki up and running tomorrow. It might be a couple of days more before we can actually start the process of moving everything over, though. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 22:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
http://neverwinter-de.gamepedia.com/Neverwinter_Wiki is now live, and I've exported all the German pages over and removed the /de suffix from page titles and links. It's ready for editing; all that's left is waiting for the images to be copied over. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 23:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I just checked out the new French Wiki, but I don't see any French content at all. Is it going to be exported later? I noticed not a lot of pages were actually put in the Translations/fr category, but even those that were there when the new wiki was set up, I could not find. Should we start putting /fr pages into this category? Please advise. FridiEU (talk) 11:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
We were asked to launch the French wiki early. I was told the French community was resistant to making translations here on the English wiki, so I didn't think there was anything to transfer. I've transferred the pages in Translations/fr now. If you want me to transfer more, you can categorize additional pages and let me know when to transfer the rest, or editors can transfer the pages themselves. I'm fine with either approach. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 23:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I will go through the wiki this weekend and put all French pages I can find in the category, so it can be exported next week. FridiEU (talk) 13:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, hopefully I got all French pages that still need to be exported in the category Translations/fr. Oh, and the French wiki would also still need their version of the RSS feed whitelisted, if it has not been queued for that already.FridiEU (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I got them exported over. I think for now it'll be best to leave them in Translations/fr category over there to help identify pages that need to be moved to their French name. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 22:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Request: Stats Explanation[edit source]

Hi, I love your Wiki.

I'd just like to make a small request, if possible, could you create a page that explains what all the different stats on gear do? Things like Power, Recovery, Deflection and so forth.

Thanks very much for all your hard work.

I agree, and it's been a crazy week for me, so this isn't something I've been to sort out myself. I'd like to add either expanding Character or creating a separate article that covers overall character progression, explaining heroic tier, heroic feats, paragon path, and so on in the order you get these things as you level up is something we should really have if anyone who has it all sorted out has time. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


I'm going to try and write out a detailed explaination of my findings. I have noticed that the +Movement on gear (let's say, +120 from an enchantment), says it only gives +1.3% (IIRC). I don't believe that... I think there's some sort of miscalculation there... I have a 60 TR and I run faster than my basic mount (which is +50% movement). When running fast, I use Sneak Attack Rank 3 (+30% movement) and Skillful Infiltrator Rank 3 (+15% movement) on my basement which depending on how the calculate it in game, I'm just assuming it's cumulative - that's +45% movement. The only different would be if, instead of...
All +Movement Combined (30% + 15% + 1.3%) it's instead something like...
(Class Features)*(Gear) = (30% + 15% = +45%) * (1.3%) = 58.5%
Though I know that's not exactly what you were referring too. I will also check up on the other stats as well. --71.75.252.158 07:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Languages[edit source]

i would like to know if it is possible to change language in the game, please...

  Yes, it is: In the Launcher, open the Options. Currently, you can switch between English, German and French. 
  FridiEU (talk)

Better skill descriptions.[edit source]

Hello,

So I was trying to find info about my class, and the wiki is missing quite a bit of info. I wouldn't mind editing/fixing up a few pages, but I also have no idea how templates work. I was thinking of something similar to: this for skills. Not sure if other pages on the wikia I linked could be good for inspiration since this game has much more skills involved.

If I was given a template/told how to set the page up, I would definitely try to get the info from the tool tips into an appropriate page. It's been awhile and I'm not sure if it's something that needs to be set up, or has the potential to just copy paste.

<also...wouldn't mind a rename token so I can change name to my game handle and not curse account.>

--Drakahellslayer (talk) 09:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've set up a basic layout on pages like Magic Missile and Chill Strike. You can copy-paste those and use those to set up other power pages. The tooltip information is on separate pages to support the wiki's tooltip system, you can use the "edit details above" on a power page that has a tooltip to get appropriate code for setting those up. When you save a power page with the {{tooltip section power}} template included, you'll get a red link to the appropriate page for the tooltip info.
I'll arrange a display name credit for you as well. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for setting up the templates, I also really like the tooltip system.
I have started working on the Cleric page. While doing so I wanted to link straight to the "#Encounter_powers" of each class, then saw how different the class pages have been set up. I will try to make the pages more uniform so linking straight to the pages specific part is easier for users. Let me know if there is anything wrong with the Cleric page so far, I will try to fix up anything that might have broken. I will update the pages as I have time.
--Drakahellslayer (talk) 12:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I see they've become inconsistent. I still favor placing all the powers into a single sortable table for maximum flexibility and functionality and eliminating any redundant listing on those pages. This is the approach used by the Guardian Fighter page. Then you'd just link to "#Powers" instead.
Meanwhile, I'll fix the table template code so that the type column displays and accepts the game's current terminology. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 20:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


Alright, works for me, I will try to follow the GFs page.
--Drakahellslayer (talk) 23:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Contest[edit source]

Your contest mentions the dire need for the images on the front page, yet i see no way of adding these. I have been activly going through alot of pages adding tons of missing information and making sure the formating + icons are 1080p consistant over each page.

In truth I entered only for the contest but now find a deep love of knowing people will hopefully find my information helpful in the future. My worry however is the lack of control with images meaning I have to go thorugh every page I am aware the icon excists to make sure they all use the same image.

The front page is something I am more than happy to attempt creating images for. This however leads to another confusion over the contest. How are the icons/images tracked? Are we ment to link every single change + image over twitter? Seems a rather endless chain of events to make sure you submissions are verified before someone else comes and does a 2 word edit to claim it :(

Thanks (sorry for errors as typing fast while minds racing :p )

I'd just make one tweet for an helpful edit and one for an image. The winners will be randomly selected among those that make a helpful contribution that isn't something really minor (i.e., someone fixing a few typos or adding a sentence). Any further editing you make after that would be because you've found you enjoy it; it won't affect your chances of winning.
Basically, during our discussions of the contest, we felt that trying to compare the value of each editor's contributions was a bad idea. That can only be objectively determined up to a certain point, and then beyond that it becomes rather arbitrary. For example, I have a tendency to value good text content over images, so I'd tend to choose editors who best expanded our information on the game, but dealing with images is less convenient and less streamlined, so an editor uploading a lot of quality images is doing a lot of valuable work too. Choosing one dedicated editor to win over another would be just as likely to cause strife as it would be to inspire editing, so this contest is more about giving both our existing editors a chance to win and encouraging new editors to try wiki editing out and see how they like it (in exchange for also getting a chance to win). oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 19:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Correction: Each entry does increase your chance to win, as long as multiple entries are sufficiently different from each other, i.e. different subject or page, which we'll determine at the judging stage. We'll just count a lot of edits that are just building up the same thing as one entry, even if you tweet each one. The safest bet to have an entry considered as separate is to make it on a completely different topic. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 22:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Lore page[edit source]

I've been working on Lore, a page that tells players where do find pieces of lore in-game. It's far from complete, but already the 20th biggest page on the wiki. Any chance it could be added to the front page, or anywhere really? It's an orphan at the moment.

  • Main page link added. There are probably other good places to add it, but they aren't coming to mind at the moment. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 21:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Achievements tag in main page[edit source]

I'm working to complete a guide to the achievements of the game, but to get into that section, I have to go through Lore. Would it be possible to add a tag achievements please?

Enchanting page[edit source]

Enchanting is now one of the bigger pages but its not linked under Gameplay, can this be arranged? Thanks / Jandrall

Added enchanting and achievements to the Gameplay section. Thanks. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 22:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Enchantment Slot Tooltip Template?[edit source]

Can anyone tell me how to show an empty grey & purple enchantment slot in a tooltip box? I know class="slot" gives a filled grey slot. I can't seem to find/figure out how to get an empty one, either grey or purple (for the armor enhancements). Snoman321 (talk) 06:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we have the images uploaded for all enchantment slots yet. When we do, just give me the filenames and I'll set up CSS classes ASAP. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 09:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
OK I uploaded NW_Empty_Slot.png and NW_Empty_AE_Slot.png for both those. Ready for your Magic. Lemee know how to properly fix those into a tooltip, and I'll clean up the Leatherworking ones I've done already. If I could offer a suggestion it would be to make class="slot" be the empty slot image by default since that's how items drop, and would thus be more commonly used in tooltips. Maybe class="slotted" for a full slot and class="aeslot"[1] for an empty armor enhancement slot? I didn't find an icon for a full AE slot. Not sure if it would even be used? Thanks in advance!Snoman321 (talk) 00:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Added Empty Enhancement and Enchantment. Enchantment doubles for Rune. [[File:Empty_Enhancement.png‎]] [[File:Empty_Enchantment.png‎]][2]. Jetah (talk) 03:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
  • class="slot" now displays an empty slot.
  • class="slotted" now displays a full slot.
  • class="aeslot"[1] now displays an armor enchantment slot.
Or in other words, I just followed the suggestions. Let me know when we get the filled image for an armor enchantment slot. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 04:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Like these images? [[File:GemSlot Filled.png]] and [[File:GemSlot AE Filled.png]][2]?? feel free to rename any of the ones i've uploaded ― Jetah Astral Diamond small icon.png 20:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC) (now with new and improved sig)
Thanks Jetah & OOeyes!! Snoman321 (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
  • class="aeslotted"[1] now displays a full armor enhancement slot.
  • I also added class="runeslot" and class="runeslotted" for future-proofing. For now, they do the same thing as slot and slotted, but should the devs decide to make the rune slots look different, using the rune classes will make switching over pretty easy. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 20:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Could you also make it so that the text in "runeslot" is rendered pink, since I'm not sure if I can even access classes? I've made due without it by using class="pink", but this would make it easier. Riveted (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The pink color has now been added to runeslot and runeslotted. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 00:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I didn't notice until after you did this, but aeslot/aeslotted[1] needs the pink text as well, and runeslot/runeslotted should have the pink icon. If it wasn't for pages already having both classes, I would suggest just picking one and getting rid of the other. Riveted (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
All done now. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 20:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 style aeslot/aeslotted has been renamed to eslot/eslotted on 2018-08-19
  2. 2.0 2.1 Images of slot in tooltip was replaced on 2018-08-16.

NPC Vendors[edit source]

I was upgrading some images and came across Milosh the Impartial page where someone made a fantastic table for the items the vendor offered with prices. How hard would it be to create a template for this? (note i had to resize the images which the template would have to do as well). Jetah (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Would be nice if it grabbed the images from the items page, too. --Rotab (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
You mean adding a new part into the {{Item}} template that included an Image? like {{Item|Image|name thingie here}}? -- [[User:Jetah]] (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
What I mean is instead of linking to the image "File:Potion of Weak Healing.png", you would do something like {{Item|Image|Potion of Weak Healing}}, yeah. Or maybe thats unnecessary since the image name would only change on extension changes, like from jpg to png. --Rotab (talk) 03:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Rotab, personally I dont like using jpg. You'll never see me upload any jpg.
oOeyes would it be possible to add a subpage that is a template? meaning Potion of Weak Healing/Template:Potion of Weak Healing which would create {{Potion of Weak Healing}} which could add in an Image tag for it? Meh, maybe that's redundant..

Pirates' vs. Pirate's Skyhold[edit source]

The game isn't perfectly consistent about spelling. On the game map, and in the lore pages, and in the zoning hints, and other spots, it's Pirates' plural. In some of the achievements, it's Pirate's singular. A while back, I converted most references to plural, having assumed that plural was the intent. However, my changes are being reverted. Undo wars would be tiresome. A decision on consistent spelling would be nice. 99.232.36.78 22:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RSS[edit source]

I have problem whit RSS. Extension:RSS -- Error: "http://nw.pl.perfectworld.eu/news/?tag=nw-news&feed=rss2" is not in the whitelist of allowed feeds

I have queued up these feeds to be added to the whitelist:
This change will probably go through sometime tomorrow. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 22:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

New Template[edit source]

I added a new template Template:Imagecrop/doc Now you dont need new smaller image if big image is in wiki

LP Catalog.jpg

Inventory Gemslot Empty.png
opis


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Icon best practices[edit source]

I'm new to this wiki, but thoroughly familiar with icon acquisition and editing for another game wiki. I'd like to get some recommendations for the size and format for icons (and other images), and advice for the best techniques for acquiring, formatting, and naming icons.

Looking around here, I see that some icons appear to be 64x64 png files with black or transparent backgrounds, e.g. Footman.jpg, Hvyarmor Resource Ironplate 01.png. Others are odd sizes that often include a border, with a black, rather than transparent, background, e.g. NW Iron Awl.png, Bag of Bones Icon.jpg.

Some of these look like they may have been acquired from the Gateway web site, from game or resource files, while others are more obviously clipped from screen shots. As is typical of games, the same icon is often use for many items.

  • What is the best way to set up to capture icons?
  • Are there video settings that work better for capturing high quality icons?
  • Are there naming conventions for icons?
  • Do templates assume icon names can be calculated from items names by default?
  • How can one avoid creating duplicate icons for items that use a common icon in-game?

I would welcome advice from the more experienced editors. Please share your suggestions, recipes, best practices, etc. In the end, It may be useful to collect this information on the Help:Contents or a related page.

- FelisNigripes (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I have uploaded both types in the past. Before the gateway went live, the only way for me to get images was screenshots from the game. For those, I always included the colored frame, as it neatly indicates the quality of the item. At the moment I usually prefer getting a png file from the gateway, as those files are of a much better resolution and will look better when scaled. Icons taken from the gateway don't have those frames, though. For items of different quality that use the exact same icon, it would definitely be nice to have a colored frame. Maybe we could have a template that would draw a frame around an icon in white, green, blue etc., to indicate the color? FridiEU (talk) 00:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
So the latest update to the Gateway has made it easier to extract the icon images of non-equipable/non-sellable items. In Chrome for instance, go to the Gateway "Inventory" option for the character with the object, right click on the icon you need and choose "Inspect Element", then in the source that appears you can find the nearby img src of the icon and right click on that to open that in a new tab, and finally use that new tab to save image. Its a little roundabout but handy. Serpinecoh (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Do icons copied from the Gateway count as "screenshots" or "official images" for licensing? Both are fair use, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. Also, would a list of all available icons be useful? It would be very long (over 4000 icons), but it might help people find the right icon for items that aren't on the Auction House, Zen Market or in inventory. Two30 (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

As to the licensing, it doesn't really matter. Might not be a bad idea to simplify that down to a single option sometime in the future anyway. I'll leave the other question for more active editors. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 17:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
It could be interesting. Would it be just a pure text list? Obviously the big issue with usability would be trying to identify which icon you are looking for in the first place, and sometimes the names aren't entirely helpful. - Serpinecoh (talk) 20:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
It could include categories and direct links to the Gateway to make browsing easier, but the more detail, the bigger the page. I've considered dumping the info to Pastebin, but it would be struggling against their free 512k size limit. I'll shelve the idea for now. -- Two30 (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

One name of Items different stats[edit source]

Leather Armor +1 page whit items info
[[Leather Armor +1 (Level 16)]] redirected page to Leather Armor +1 (page whit own tooltip page [[Leather Armor +1 (Level 16)/Tooltip]])
[[Leather Armor +1 (Level 20)]] redirected page to Leather Armor +1 (page whit own tooltip page [[Leather Armor +1 (Level 20)/Tooltip]])

result
[[Leather Armor +1 (Level 16)|Leather Armor +1]] [[Leather Armor +1 (Level 20)|Leather Armor +1]]
User:Kwak20 (talk) 11:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC+1)

New item infobox[edit source]

INFO on page [[Template:ItemTransformer/doc]][1]
Finished infobox

  • equipment
  • set
  • box
  • asset
  • potions

If something miss or not work properly send message to me
Now I'm working on auto tooltip maker for different items type
I can add other language to this infobox
User:Kwak20 (talk) 11:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC+1)

Many things were broken by this. It didn't work correctly with the tooltip script, as the script is designed to work with {{Tooltip hover box}} while the tooltips on the pages work with the other templates. You designed it so the script couldn't call up the correct template, and I guess you tried to fix it by adding a lot of <div class="small">. I have this fixed now.
Next time you're going to make drastic, experimental, and challenging changes to heavily used templates, copy them to your userspace first and test, test, test'them there, please. And if you're having trouble, ask for help. I appreciate the overall improvements you've made by adding {{t|ItemTransformer}}[2] and I don't mean to be completely critical, but there's a lot to clean up because you charged ahead with an faulty implementation. A lot of this might have been avoided if you hadn't been playing with the live templates. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 05:30, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Multiplying Tootltips[edit source]

Why do my tooltips all want to have baby Tooltips (as in [[Leather Boots +1]][3])? How can I get rid of the extra "edit Tooltip," the one that would just make a new Tooltip for existing the Tooltip, as opposed to ACTUALLY editing the existing Tooltip?

Looks like there was a lot of damage inflicted on various templates during {{t|ItemTransformer}}'s[2] implementation. I'm working on trying to get all the new templates working with the old and working with the tooltip script correctly. I think I'm most of the way there.
I also didn't really think that integrating these "same name, different items" situations into a single page was a good idea, so {{Tooltip section}} wasn't intended for it. I've created {{t|Tooltip and infobox section}}[4] to deal with this now, but I still think a disambiguation page and individual pages for each item is a better approach in the long run. For example, if the community wanted to try to add Semantic MediaWiki, multiple items per page is something we'd end up reversing because it's an extraordinary pain to support that with SMW. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Usage of ItemTransformer[edit source]

I designed the tooltip script to use separate pages for tooltips for a reason. With many pages containing a lot of links that might need a tooltip loaded, having the tooltips on separate pages was to ensure the wiki only had to load the actual tooltip text, not entire item pages just to ignore most of it.

The item pages that have {{t|ItemTransformer}}[2] on them need to have that moved from the item page to the tooltip page, and the style= line needs to be changed to:

|Page={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}
  |style={{#if:{{{style|}}}|{{{style|}}}|{{{1|}}} }}

So if you work on a page that's using {{ItemTransformer}}, please copy that over as described and then put {{:{{PAGENAME}}/Tooltip|style=Infobox}} in its place. I'll look into the possibility of doing this automatically ASAP. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

On second look, this may not work yet for all items. Packs/boxes don't look like they're set up yet, so automatic fixing will have to wait. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 08:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
What would be a good example page of an item formatted totally right per this? As a side note, at least to me a lot of the Companions that use image= for the InfoBox style end up with an odd "colspan="2"|" showing up above their main image. Example ( http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Wayward_Wizard ). Is there some required formatting thing to prevent this or is it an issue with ItemTransformer? User:Serpine (talk), 09:34, 8 July 2013 (PT)
Issue with the template, but using image1 is better anyway. I designed the infoboxes originally to be relatively short deliberately because a lot of users have an ad to the right of the infobox, and a long infobox causes a blank area underneath the ad. They weren't intended to display screenshots in the infobox themselves, and image1 through image9 puts the images beneath the ad and infobox to help keep infoboxes shorter.
I've set up Soiled Tunic as an example of one that uses things correctly, but for more complex items, you'll have to look at {{t|ItemTransformer}}'s[2] documentation. I suspect there will be more things that will need to be fixed or added which we'll find as we go along. If you don't feel up to it, feel free to let me know. If we'd rather go back to the older system, we can work on that too. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 17:33, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I just converted the Wererat Thief ( http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Wererat_Thief ) based on the Soiled Tunic. I actually like it overall better as it feels less redundant. Regarding the image= image1=, with companions that have gallery of skins already I'm thinking just leaving both blank and letting the gallery do all the image work might make more sense actually. User:Serpine (talk), 12:20, 8 July 2013 (PT)
Trying to set the Tricorn Captain's Hat to have a functional tooltip with the new system. With "type=Fashion" and "type2=Hat" its not showing Fashion Hat on the tooltip (also tried type=Fashion Hat) but is on the info block. Is there something more I need to put? Sorry for being such a bother. :) User:Serpine (talk), 16:54, 8 July 2013 (PT)
I'll look it into as soon as possible. The TooltipItem template might not yet be set up to handle fashion items properly. For now, maybe just give me a list of pages where things aren't working right on my talk page or something. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 00:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I think we'll want to treat Fashion Hat, Fashion Body, etc. as a single type. Otherwise, it'll be harder to tell when a comma belongs between types.
I also decided to try cutting a lot of info out of the infobox. Most of it gets displayed in the tooltip anyway, and as I noted earlier, it's best layout-wise for the infobox to stay short. Unless anyone objects to my changes, I think it's best we stick with only essential, brief information in the infobox. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 06:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, the infoboxes don't appear for mobile users currently, so we have to be careful how much we rely on them for displaying information. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 06:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Differences in the writing of the Administrator[edit source]

Moved to User talk:Kwak20

Stats Formulas[edit source]

Hi, I want discover formula for stats in NW and I can't do this without large number of data. So I wanna you to help me and gather data for me. This is what I need:

Name of stat + Class + Level + Value + Bonus (Example: Critical Strike = GWF = 60 = 1150 = 9,1)

or: Name of stat + Class + Level

set of (Value + Bonus)

(Example: Critical Strike = GWF = 60

1150 = 9,1

1010 = 8,2

885 = 7,3

760 = 6,3 ) --xBelphegorx (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Item Font?[edit source]

If there was something that we wanted to give the font used for items without actually making it an item link, how could one do that? i.e. What's the name of the item font? Thanks. Snoman321 (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Best way is to use <span class="itemname">text here</span>. If you want it to be one of the quality colors, you can use <span class="itemname common">text here</span>, <span class="itemname uncommon">text here</span>, etc. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 23:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you kindly!! Snoman321 (talk) 02:24, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Quality color templates and Broken links[edit source]

The quality color templates hide broken links. For instance [Misspelled Item] or [Non-Existent Item]. Would it be possible to change MediaWiki:Hydra.css to give broken links a red "border-bottom"? Or some other visual cue? -- 99.232.36.78 02:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I've blended the quality colors with the standard red link color. It's the least ugly way I've thought of this morning. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 10:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. -- 99.232.36.78 11:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

"|type#=" maxes at 5[edit source]

With the addition of 2 more professions to the game, there are some items that are going to require more than 5 "types" or "categories" (e.g. Bag of Crystals). Presently, Infoboxes seem to stop listing beyond |type4=. Is it possible to grow that?

I've increased it to type10. Hopefully that'll be enough for future needs. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 16:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Items with a text based "Equip:" effect in tooltip for itemtransformer[edit source]

Ring of Violet Luminescence has "Equip: Your ring glows faintly with a soft violet light." that appears before the two normal stat modifying Equip lines. Is there a good way to address that and other items with a freeform descriptive equip effect? I'm including an in-game tooltip shot of this one so you can see what I mean - Serpinecoh

RingOfVioletLuminescenceTooltip.jpg

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-_- Somehow, I got it into my head I had already taken care of this. Sorry for the delay. You can now provide an equip= parameter for this kind of thing. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 19:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Something appears to have gone wrong: Now if I don't specify an "equip=" in the ring it shows a blank Equip: and if I do specify "equip=" it works but displays the word "damage" above the equip info. Serpinecoh (17:30, 8/20/2013)
Oops, made a change on the wrong line. It's fixed now. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 01:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

More ItemTransformer Questions[edit source]

Various questions:

  • 1) Is there an example of how to use the itemtransformer block for sets properly? All my attempts to mess with it result in a totally blank tooltip and no useful infobox, which I presume isn't the intention.
  • 2) As a related side note, on tooltips for equipment that has a set, would it be possible to have the listed set items be indented like in-game tooltips (I tried putting a : in front of them but it causes some extra unwanted line-feeding).
  • 3) As an unrelated sidenote, in listings of item stats in-game most tooltips have Power before most other stuff stats, but the itemtransformer tooltips put it a bit later. Not a big deal but it causes me to doubletake when comparing tooltips between wiki/game.
  • 4) For an item that comes with an enhancement slot pre-filled (for instance as seen in the picture on the right, the Delzoun Dagger starts with a Brilliant Energy Enchantment stuck in its Weapon Enhancement Slot), what do we do? The in game tooltip naturally shows the slot populated and has the "Weapon Enhancement Slot: Blah" dialogue pre-filled.
  • 5) If I wanted to detail a lone specialty enchantment outside of the enchantment page what would the format be? The template doesn't seem to have fields that would allow such things as specifying what sort of slot does what. As examples, in game Brilliant Energy Enchantment has a big freeform line showing what happens in a Weapon Enhancement slot, Founder's Glorious Enchantment has a set of stat mods (formatted freeform) next to a Defense Slot label, while Graycloak's Insignia has 3 lines of stat mods each separately specifying Offense Slot.

Conceptually I like ItemTransformer but sometimes it seems more hassle then its worth. :) - Serpinecoh (talk) 08:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

That was my concern when I saw this was being deployed without any discussion. Items are a complex and diverse set of data, one that's likely to have a number of edge cases that don't quite fit. Ultimately, the problem is that we're basically guessing as to how Cryptic formats the tooltips to begin with, and there always the danger of the assumptions being wrong.
I can fix most, and maybe all, of the above, but unfortunately it may have to wait at least a few days. Some high priority projects just moved into my queue. When I can get to it as well, I'll try to add something like a freeform parameter (or if anyone has a better name) that will allow you to specify the tooltip content exactly, overriding the automatic formatting. I think it's inevitable we'll find an item at some point that just doesn't fit. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 13:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
But that said, I'm actually surprised that it's working as well as it is. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 13:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Meh, turns out I'm in limbo waiting for some setup to be finished before I can begin my priority projects, so I can get a start on this.
  • 1. If the tooltip template for ItemTransformer is any indication, support for sets didn't get finished. A few screenshot of set tooltips would be helpful as a reference for me to set them up.
  • 2. They should be indented now.
  • 3. Moved Power up before Critical Strike. Should it be before Maximum Hit Points and AC as well?
  • 4. I added slot1item and eslotitem parameters to take the name of the item inside the slots. Hopefully, using the gold color for that is correct in all cases; if not, let me know.
  • 5. This one sounds like it might be a bit tricky. I'll really need to see screens of these tooltips to make sure I don't bungle this up. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 15:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • 1. Well sets don't have tooltips beyond what is on the items (to my knowledge) so how its formatted is really a "however it should be" sort of thing. I wouldn't have even messed with it if I didn't see it in the documentation there. I think the expectation might be that it could accept and display entered gear / slot / set info as if it was a piece of armor. Look at the Total Set Stats section of Elusive Agent and imagine if that was formatted item like and had proper boxes for the enhancement slots: That sort of thing.
  • 2. Very nice.
  • 3. Thanks. I'm not sure on the other two and will keep you posted if I bump into any.
  • 4. Tried slot1item on Graycloak's Orb and eslotitem on Delzoun Dagger and didn't appear to work. Did I put then in wrong? Serpinecoh (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • 4. Ah, yeah... forgot to set ItemTransformer up to pass the parameters on to the tooltip template. It's working now. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 20:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • 1. If they don't have a tooltip, then we won't want a /Tooltip page because otherwise the tooltip system is going to think it should load a tooltip for any link to that set. I'm not even sure ItemTransformer would be useful for this then. I was thinking you were referring to something like the Courtesan's Wear item that can be opened to get the items in the set, but if there's no item... I'll remove it the set info from the documentation since I don't think it'll be useful. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 20:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • 1. That makes total sense.
  • 4. Thanks for the fix.
  • 5. Here is a collage of various bizarre enchantment tooltips in game: Media:SpecialEnchantmentExamples.jpg. I don't envy you trying to sort these out considering how inconsistent they are: "When applied to an Item:" doesn't show up on Tenebrous, but does on the others. "Offense Slot" is repeated three times on Graycloak to modify three stats, but they only use one "Defense Slot" to modify three stats at once on Founder's. Its a mess. - Serpinecoh (talk) 05:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

New Races on "Main" pages[edit source]

I added some initial pages for Moon Elf and Sun Elf (really basic in the case of Sun Elf since it didn't show up this morning, but I still felt it should be present since they are saying it being missing is a bug they are working on fixing). I also split out [[Drow] from Menzoberranzan Renegade since they are distinct racial choices now. And I set up trait pages for Wanderlust/Moon Elf Resilience for Moon Elves and Darkfire for Drow. Now the question is: How do these get added to "Playable race nav", "Racial Trait nav", and the front page? Or is that an admin only thing? I'm assuming the two professions that got added today (though I'm not messing with those wiki wise) will be under the same boat... - Serpinecoh (talk) 21:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

The main page is protected, so yes, you'll need an admin for that when everything's ready. Template:Playable race nav and Template:Racial Trait nav are relatively simple to edit, though. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 23:59, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay I've adjusted the two race related templates with the new info (including the other elf now that they have it up). The Menzoberranzan Renegade / Moon Elf / Sun Elf racial pages, and the Weaponsmithing / Artificing crafting pages that other people did, look to have full enough info to me for inclusion on the main page listings at this point, so I'll leave that in administrative type hands now I guess. :) - Serpinecoh (talk) 07:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay, it's all added now. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 15:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Sharandar / Campaign / Sharandar Campaign[edit source]

FYI: I'm setting down stubs for Campaign and Sharandar Campaign to keep things nice and clean for when there are other campaigns, and to not get Sharandar as a location confused with the campaign itself. - Serpinecoh (talk) 21:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Salvage and the itemTransformer / Info Box[edit source]

I'm moving this discussion point to its own block since it was getting bulky:
There is a now the "Salvageable" type on tooltips (Media:SalvageableDemo.jpg).

  • 1. <No Longer an Issue: See update below> The tooltips of a salvageable item usually list Salvageable as its first type, but when I try to put that as type= so it is up front it freaks out determination of proper tooltip behavior (item stats vanish from the tooltip and such).
  • 2. There is the question of how to display how much will be salvaged somewhere (without putting it as freeform description on the main mage, or on the central Salvage page which could get huge if we did that.
  • 3. There are items +4 Elven Warrior's Scale Armor Redcap Sword Knot that have Salvageable in their in game tool tip but actually can't be salvaged since they aren't epic quality and it only works on rares.

So my thought is it would be good to have a "salvage=" in the itemTransformer options. If it is blank it would do nothing, if it has a value then it puts Salvageable in front of the actual types on the tooltip as if it was a type (essentially it would be type0) and whatever the value was would appear on a new section of the infobox (i.e. we could put "salvage=Not Salvageable" to cover item #3, "salvage=6,000 Rough Astral Diamond" for things we know the salvage value of, and "salvage=? Rough Astral Diamond" for things we know are salvageable but don't have the value yet.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. Also I think vendor npcs should be kept free from salvage info. Thoughts? - Serpinecoh (talk) 04:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC) Update: I studied "Template:TooltipItem" for a long time and felt daring enough to add Salvageable (and Sword Knot in case it comes up) to the "type=" options that can display item stats. This resolves (issue #1) above. That still leaves the best way to address where to show how much something salvages for though (#2 / #3). - Serpinecoh (talk) 05:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Just leaving a message to let you know I've seen this. I'm hoping I can start working on this in a couple of days, but it's turning into a unusually busy week. It may have to wait until sometime next week. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png
I may try to rig up a test over the weekend and see if I can come up with something. Past small edits like I've done so far I'm a bit intimidated of messing with the template though. :) - Serpinecoh (talk) 18:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
UPDATE: I made some personal test copies of the infobox/itemtransformers and experimented for a while and believe I have it figured out (Here is test item {{item|epic|Test_Item}}[5] using my versions of the templates and showing salvage in infobox). I'll likely add the couple of lines required to the general files and documents later today unless there is a concern otherwise. - Serpinecoh (talk) 19:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
UPDATE: I added |salvage= (see a couple of topics down). - Serpinecoh (talk) 23:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Patch History[edit source]

I've just created a page listing all game updates, with links to the official patch notes and forum threads. I called it Patch History, although "Game Update History" or "Game Version History" might have been better choices. I'm not sure where to link to it, although the front page would be convenient. -- Two30 (talk) 01:04, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

That's a nice page to have handy. I keep having trouble finding patch notes on the actual Neverwinter site, let alone here. I added a link to it on the front page in the Neverwinter Wiki box (their are links to general game info and game developer info so that box already has precedent for game "meta" stuff). - Serpinecoh (talk) 03:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Salvage Columns[edit source]

For the time being I'm temped to remove (and did, temporarily) "Salvage Value" columns I encounter that have been added to tables for vendors and such. This is because:

  • 1. They usually end up being mostly blank.
  • 2. The ones I've seen so far have been applied to lists were the items themselves don't have pages yet.
  • 3. These tables don't have the coin resale value either so it is not consistent to do this.
  • 4. A vendor or set doesn't have a direct relation to salvage.
  • 5. If this becomes a "thing" consistency would it would need to be added to every list potentially Salvageable goods in the wiki (and per #3 a resale value column as well).
  • 6. This sort of value really belongs on the page for the item, or the Salvage page.

Naturally I'm bringing it here to see if discussion is merited. Incidentally, User:XXChris21Xx just added nice, concise salvage table for T1/T2 on the Salvage page. - Serpinecoh (talk) 04:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

|salvage= Added to ItemTransformer[edit source]

After a bit of testing I've added |salvage= as an available option to ItemTransformer so we can conveniently show how much a particular item salvages for, for example |salvage=6,000 {{Rough Astral Diamond}} . If populated it will put the value in the infobox under the sale/purchase value fields. [Signet of Nobility] has an example of it in use. - Serpinecoh (talk) 23:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

List / Pictures of Items Worth Transmuting From[edit source]

I've started a spot on the transmutation page to list items that have uniquely cool appearances with a rough description so people shopping for unique looks have a place to start their search. Obviously the more we can expand this list the better. :) - Serpinecoh (talk) 05:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

In a related concept, I've also started an experimental gallery page Weapon/Gallery compiling all the images associated with weapons that have been submitted so far (at least the ones linking to the weapon category listing properly). If this got to big I could see it being split into multiple pages by class / etc but there are few enough now that it should be okay. - Serpinecoh (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

New item quality color[edit source]

Module 2 introduces artifacts that can be upgraded beyond Epic to an orange quality. Not sure of its name. Artifact? Legendary? It will need to be added to the css file. Then the templates can be updated. -- Two30 (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Do we have a screenshot so that I can get a good approximation of the color? For now, I'll put in legendary and artifact classes with a fairly generic orange to tide us over until we have the proper name and color. oOeyes User-OOeyes-Sig.png 23:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
From http://gateway.playneverwinter.com/css/style.css: .orange,.Legendary{color:#ffa71c;} The gateway often differs slightly from the game, but we can probably use it as a guide. -- Two30 (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
In retrospect #ffa71c is a bad choice, it matches normal links too closely. Sampling from a screenshot suggests #ff6600, which ironically was your first value. Sorry. I've switched it back. -- Two30 (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


  1. Template:ItemTransformer/doc was deleted on 2017-12-13
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  3. Article Leather Boots +1 was deleted on 2017-06-09
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  5. template and test item article removed on 2018-07-07